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battlecruisers, escorts and nanite swarmer fucked up the meta tbf, build one type to annihilate shields, one armor and hull, profit

You only need hardening to a average of 40% to 55% (and leaders can give some of that) to counter Disruptors. Any hardening above that has serious diminishing returns that a Thrust booster, Armor hardening, or even armor regen 'A' slot would be better then another hardening. If you dont mind a "Minor" cost of Minor artifacts, one to two Shields from that tech tree offer Shielding Hardening on the very shield slot time itself, no A slot used. That with one A slot used for Shield hardening, and you can have 55% right there. Granted that means each ship is costing a few to at most a dozen I believe per ship of Minor Artifacts. The Ascension perk for that tech type boosts the stats as well as helps with minor artifact storage/cost. Heck a few starts (origins) really really support this so much so that it is almost guaranteed you will have several Minor artifact nodes to mine the from (unless really unlucky). Triple thruster builds can be countered in other ways then building another triple thruster. Usually a Mixed fleet type of Battle, Cruisers, and Destroyers achieves this with fair results. At that point its more a Tech difference mattering. Tech is always been where the power has been at for combat in the end. Unless you get out numbered 2.5 two one (no minimal ship builds for spamming dont count on this ship count vs other ship count. They die too easy to good tech full ships and cost you more in the long run even if you win fights you lose alloy wise.) Simply put, ships of different size or called Mixed fleet types with general goals in mind for each group type in it to support each ship is far better then single ship type fleets, which is what the dev's were aiming for, aside from this making Pure Cruiser fleets still feasible thing from not a thing. Overall only specialized single ship type fleets for Crisis events is really a true thing anymore. Mixed fleets of two types can still fill that roll and allow you to retrofit back to PvP ship designs. Can you make a single ship type fleet of say cruisers with having 2-3 different builds of cruiser in it to be considered a mixed fleet type, Sure you can. Can the same be done for Destroyers? Sort of. Battle ships....not really but a few do exist that still work for many situations, still better to go Battleship+Destroyer or Battleship+corvette type fleets to benefit, a few cruisers in each does not hurt but is more for gap filling then needed. Fighter+Missiles Cruiser with a another ship type doing Mixed Kinetic/energy is likely never going to age out of versatility even if the enemy knows your build. Just dont let this be your only fleet type, Mix and match! I prefer fleets in Pairs (of different strong points) for any combat, prevents hard countering from overwhelming you. (This does not prevent losing, just prevents losing hard if you do.)

For bypass the tactic, that works very strong is arc-emitter, and strike crafts. In fact the battleship with that build has only one non-RNG counter. Neutron frigates can defeat it with a 1,1 ratio. Meaning, that if your battleships are outnumbering the enemy by 15% navy cap, then they already win despite the counter. And i tried all sort of hardeners, and it was never enough. For RNG counter the one other solution is to have some health upgrades. Using 1/3 of armors as crystal upgrade pretty much any type of conventional build can defeat it.

me after watching the whole video **still uses juggernaut range aura with focus arc battle ship to kill fleets**

Previous Combat Master Class: Mixing energy and kinetics is bad Current combat Master Class: Mixing energy and kinetics is good Me: So i've been running sub par ships the whole early-mid game?

Oh, is that all?

payday bgm is sick ngl

The combat rework was desperately needed for the game, but man, do I miss just building neutron launcher battleships and insta winning.

The 6 hours VS 5000 hours players... Yeah, we still have no idea after 37526 patches and thounsands of hours. Edit : 3250 hours in

Wait, so the best carrier set in Stellaris is the fckng Cylon Basestar???

I think the full bypass combo with lightings L and distruptors and one H in battle ship, full lighting battle ships, they are fucking dope

What’s with the fallen empire ships?

I'm so glad i don't play pvp multiplayer

What about combining diferent design of ships to balance fleets insted of mono fleets.

Me with a 2million alloy stockpile waiting for the crisis

What kind of graphic mod you are using? Those missiles looks so cool.

what about kinetic weapons + proton/neutron launchers?

I want to stress I mean this as a constructive comment, and am not trying to be mean. The emphasis on the last word of most sentences really throws off your cadence and makes listening difficult.

I used markets to build megastructures.

My brain has been violated with this information I've exposed myself in.

99% of gamblers quit before they get fleet wide max roll salvo of arc lightings, keep on gambling brothers

How to enable console textures for PC Stellaris?

Please help with combat computer. In "Iceberg" video yoo touch up on artillery computer for kiting and I managed to pull it of. How do you make kiting corvettes? Do you go for picket + long range weapon like the S missile?

What about the new crisis ships? Isn't the escort completely broken? More slots than a cruber for destroyer cap cost and corvette evasion

Early game - Disruptor corvettes and destroyers. Research T2 lazers asap and if you roll disruptors do not ignore it. 100% accuracy and 60% tracking completely evicerates corvettes and destroyers. Mid game - Cruisers - Long range full missile or close range full torpedo with disruptors. End game - X slot battleships with a screening fleet of corvettes or destroyers. I personally always like to outrange the enemy and prioritise admirals with extra range and the war doctrine to increase it. With a kiting fleet you can kill AI with zero losses and allows you to clean up an enemy empire quicker.

if you have enough alloy to make a whole new fleet of anti shield, that means you definitely had enough alloy to refit like 5 fleets. What you might run out of is time to upgrade

is cosmogenesis AP picked at all in MP? I imagine it'd be nigh on impossible to get the ball rolling since you need to sacrifice a lot of pops, but the ships seem to be pretty good

2:35 TIL carriers can have infinite simultaneous strikecraft

Me, playing 3.7.4 (Really do not like the bloat and RNG that was later added)... BRUISERS (cruisers+destroyers) on close range plasma + autocannons FTW

Wait wait wait so flack doesnt prioritise strike craft and PD doesnt focus missiles ?? ... whNhrsrs'urskhx'hfktektd'h,l lydngwitw'gd'gwkg'vdvkdkhdktsltaotdlhx'vlye

Can someone explain to me why the person is talking like there's something wrong with them? I'm legit interested in the video but how do you watch it with that voice? Not like the voice but the dragging the words out all weirdly.

Conclusion: it's complicated.

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Very happy to see the new content! The fleet combat guide was amazing

Please make a video about archaeo. it can be op no? i dont mp so i'm just theory posting here. negates weakness of L weapons with no min range and firing arc. basically 'kiting' with battleships (bonus if you have battleship focus). demolishes shield with ancient X slot artillery THEN bypasses armor with driller drones and nano missiles pulse armor is the best you can get (if you have the relics). only beaten by dragon scale + psionic shields (lots of rng involved here) admiral archaeo focus (+35% damage AND fire rate for ALL archaeo weapons). focus trait pop up very often even at lvl2. then you have the archaeo weapons perk (+33% damage). you'd also likely get the rubricator bonus (+15% damage) hard to counter because of the shield demolisher X weapon + armor bypass. counter is very specific and not good vs other players' fleets. probably most important, you can potentially skip many weapon techs and you can use society tree for faster weapon tech. basically T6 weapons mid game as long as you have the perk and rubricator. BIG BIG downside is availability of relics.

This was such a good video. Thanks Strat! I am going to test some of these out today.

miss ya strat!

Pro tip. If your ships are countered in any meta, you can just play better and win anyways. This always works if you play enough better :)

i love using corvettes as screens because they are cheap and I'd rather lose a corvette than a destroyer or a battleship

Before: Neutron Lanchers Enjoyer Now: Gambling Adicction

seriously you need to stop prolonging the last syllable of every fucking word 🤣🤣

cool video both interesting and useful i think i should paly stellaris again i still have neva finished a game or experienced all dlcs i bought

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Omg he came back from the cartel and paid his rent. What a strat. 😂

Cant get your ship designs predicted if you use a shipset without visible turrets like my ow- [USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS COMMENT]

This video will be obsolete in approximately 1 patch (average Stellaris experience)

Can't wait until you talk about the Cosmogenesis fleet meta.

Hahaha, I was playing in the doomsday tournament under the name Vox. I desperately needed this, had no idea what was going on 😆

Holy crap this video is insanely useful

Thanks for the tips! It definitely helped me understand a bit more of the nuances to the fleets. Noticed a tech tree map you showed in the video to show requirements for unlocks, any chance you could link that? 👀